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Mary-sue Sad Micaiah by RoyLover Mary-sue Sad Micaiah by RoyLover
Burrrrrrr, did this in 30 minuets on Open Canvas...and after the corruption. =___=;; But, yeah, here's a sad Micaiah. I feel better now, though. XD;

Micaiah isn't a Mary-sue. I hear a lot of people call her that, but, apparently, she doesn't seem to fit the definition of a Mary-sue. Sorry. Apparently, *windfalcon had described how to tell them apart. -> [link]

.::MICAIAH LONG RANT::.

Micaiah is, well, you can't complain about her looks. Majority of the FE girls are beautiful. I think she is cute, not beautiful, however. She doesn't have a big boob size, either. (LOL)

She is not angst about her past. Actually, I just know she was lonely because she was branded (which is very common for brandeds.) She traveled alone for so long so...errr, who wouldn't be lonely? O__o The only thing that she really worries about is her, um, branded-ness. She doesn't want to be rejected, especially after experiencing the love and warmth of people's affections. I mean, common, if you loved people and people reject you because of who you are, wouldn't you become sad? That's heart-breaking. It's like losing your one place you call home.

Sothe is her man, but, personally, I find him more obsessed with her than her to him. She's not oblivious to his advances, either. She just really...errr, reacts to them kind of blandly. XD; That and I don't like Sothe, anyways. :P (He just lucky I love Tormod. Ha ha...) Sothe ain't all that, anyways. He just got the looks.

Micaiah is also very stupid and whiney; very, very, very whiney when it comes down to her beloved Daein, which gets very annoying to read when playing Radiant Dawn. Even to me. ^_^;; Seriously, Mary-sues are super smart and always know what to do at that exact moment. She's stupid. It takes her a while to finally think of something smart to do. (And I wanted to slap her so bad for not asking WTH was wrong with Pelleas when he told her to invade the Laguz Alliance all of a sudden.)

Micaiah is the, err, Apostle. But, ya know, she's one fragile unit and quite annoying to protect in the beginning chapters. I dunno if that counts as having a ton of different kinds of super powers, blood, and whatnot, but she just got royal blood flowing through her. That, and she is basically a female Rhys unit (LOL) with better caps cause, heck, that's what every main character gets. *looks at Ike* Yes, him, too. And, well, she only got the skill, Sacrifice, because of the blood that runs through her. The skill ain't that helpful to her, either. She has low HP and the skill pretty much kills her. That, and she can read people's thoughts or something...or sense their feelings cause she is the Apostle and have Heron powers, which could've been easily Sanaki's if she was the, err, true Apostle. Poor Sanaki. D: (I also heard Laura kicks her butt at both light magic-using AND healing. >_> )

Her personality is annoying. She gets irritated easily and whines and pouts about it. (Something everyone hates about her, I'm sure. ) But when she's not irritated, she's friendly. And, on a normal day, she's usually calm. When the time is not on a normal day and everyone is killing each other, she goes a little crazy, too. She doesn't think right and starts being stupid. That and she's not exactly very outgoing, but not exactly extremely shy. She's just kinda...meh.

And the animal situation... Volug stays with her because he's told to. Yune is with her because she's the Apostle. I'm sure Yune would've been with Sanaki if Sanaki was the the true Apostle.

All in all, Micaiah isn't a Mary-sue. But, yeah, she's not a very interesting character, either. XD; Micaiah is just a meh-character who basically helps Ike along his journeys. I don't know why Japanese FE10 fans love her so much. Personally, I like their Micaiah-personality-versions better than how she really is in the game. =___=;;

---------END OF RANT---------------

Oh, and one last note. [link] <- References of sues. Basically saying that every original female character to a fandom is a Mary-sue, somehow. I believe *windfalcon's definition better. =___=; Sorry, but sues are more of the, errrr, too-good-to-be-true characters than just every woman character that is being a woman. >_>;;

And that's it. :) I just want to let people know what I think about Mary-sues, basically. I don't hate them, and I don't like people who bash them, either. The Mary-sue creators eventually grow out of that stage anyways so the world still goes round, regardless.

Character: Micaiah
Character From: Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Colored In: Open Canvas
Colored By: RoyLover
Drawn With: tablet
Drawn By: RoyLover
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MoonlightXdensetsu Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
I agree! :3 i personally liked micaiah
/flees from any haters
XD
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I don't get all the hate she gets...I guess they did a massive job to get people to dislike her (because in the conversation with her in Awakening, she mentions she was hated by many.)
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MoonlightXdensetsu Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013
I know right?! And she did make some pretty stupid decisions and could be sometimes very jealous, which is normal for many people. So far I can relate to her childish but good intentioned nature. But hey i haven't finished RD completely yet XD.
BTW since you love roy... who is in your opinion Roy's one true waifu?  And a bonus, what are your top fe4: seisen no keifu OTPs? IMO lilina x Roy is too adorable XD
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I think it was just a bad idea to try and solve majority of the plot holes in the Tellius universe by utilizing Micaiah alone.  I think the players sensed the mess they made of her and, in turn, really relented her.  I don't like it when people claim she is a Mary-Sue, but when someone tells me she was terribly written, I can't really argue against it. (To me, Mary-Sue is a term to define self-inserts that are beyond perfect...not terribly written female characters.)

Oooh, yes, I adore Roy with Lilina. :3 I can't see him with any other girl, to be honest. Haha. :'D
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ampharosisawesome Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012
Nice picture X3 unfortunately, I'm one of those people who think Micaiah has some sue traits. If you'd like me to explain my reasoning I will.
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Thanks! I do believe she has some sue traits (of which why people believe she is a Mary-Sue), but I don't think it is enough to claim she is a Mary-Sue. I personally feel this way because, back when I was younger, I actually had a Mary-Sue character. I'm not too happy that people have twisted the word so far as to include a bunch of other things that the term, Mary-Sue, didn't describe. Basically, it was a word to describe self-insert characters where a person can pair themselves up with a cannon character, and then they try to make themselves out to be this perfect girl whilst being a damsel in distress. Micaiah is more annoying than anything, though, to be honest. Hahaha.
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ampharosisawesome Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012
heh heh heh very true right there x3 Micaiah is probably one of my least favorite characters in the game. Some Sue-ish traits i've noticed from her: She has a unique physical characteristic (white hair), she is youthful and beautiful, she has psychic powers, she always seems to be in the right about everything and the one time she does something wrong she is almost immediately forgiven for it, she is the love interest of both Sothe and Prince Pelleas for that matter, she has perfect morals and is never swayed by one selfish desire or any other misguidance, any character who questions her or doesnt like her is frowned upon by the other characters, she is the only one who can be used a god vessel, and (this one really takes the cake) she ends up being royalty and didn't even know it. Other then that, she's a very sucky support unit (Laura is waaay better) and can be taken out very easily (this makes the black knight chapter in part 1 an absolute pain because she is so damn fragile) Other then that....she's just not an interesting character. She's not developed very well and doesn't have many flaws, so she just doesn't seem realistic at all. If you are ok with Micaiah or like her, that's A-ok! I just can't stand her at all x3 But those are my reasons at least. How about you?
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Micaiah is definately not near my top favorite characters for the Tellius-realm. She is fun to draw (though I think it's because she is similar to Lilina of whom I also love to draw.)

"She has a unique physical characteristic (white hair), she is youthful and beautiful, she has psychic powers...she is the only one who can be used a god vessel, and (this one really takes the cake) she ends up being royalty and didn't even know it."
-The only reason she is this way is because of the direct line she is in. Every first born daughter of the Empress becomes this way because the goddess blesses them as such (as they are in the line of Seraphim and Altina.) The only reason Sanaki was not given such powers was because she is the second daughter and her frustration for not being the first born child is shown. It is also explained in the game and her ancestors were also silver-haired and full of powers just like hers...and were also god-vessel had the situation called for it. They were also branded and hid it from their people. That, and all branded and laguz people do not age quickly so this point is quite invalid.

"she always seems to be in the right about everything and the one time she does something wrong she is almost immediately forgiven for it"
-She isn't, though. And that is the point. Her fault is that she believes she is right when in fact she is not. She thought evily of Ike and Sothe merely ignored it. She felt stupidfied when actually meeting him as he was never a bad person to begin with. Her friends obviously overlook this fault of her as with any other real friend would do. A good friend does not hold their friend's faults against them. A good friend will support you even when you do wrong. They will voice it, saying like, "Hey you were wrong, but that's OK because now you've learned your lesson." But...they will not act against you.

"she is the love interest of both Sothe and Prince Pelleas for that matter"
She is the love interest of Sothe but not Pellease. If she was, they would share a special ending together, but they don't. Therefore, this is merely fan-speculation and is not cannon.

"she has perfect morals and is never swayed by one selfish desire or any other misguidance"
-She has perfect morals and so do sooooo many other characters in this game that this point is invalid. The same goes with selfish desires. I mean, Elincia was going to let Lucia die for the good of everything. D: Micaiah is not the only righteous character in this game. As for misguidance, I don't think so. She obviously could not win against Ike (she sorely lost, actually), and her terribly chosen actions almost resulted her to lose Sothe all-together. That is when she finally came to realize that the choices she was making were so many wrongs. Even then, she was not easy to trust them.

"any character who questions her or doesnt like her is frowned upon by the other characters"
-What? Like, uhhh, the enemies? They never like anyone for that matter and you have to kill them because they mean harm to Tellilus.

As for my reasons, she is quite whiney and childish for someone who is supposed to be quite old and wise so...I just...eeeeeh. I blame the developers for trying to solve all the plot holes in Path of Radiance with a Dues Ex Machina character AKA a character who solves all the plot holes in Radiant Dawn. :P But, truth be told, if Micaiah is a Mary-Sue then that must mean Ike is a Gary-Stu but no one's yapping about how much of a Gary-Stue Ike is. I mean...he murdered a Goddess. Not even Micaiah did that. :O
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ampharosisawesome Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012
Sorry if any of this is coming off as an argument, i just like having discussions about stuff like this, so sorry if i offend you in any way :(
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Oh, I'm not offended at all. It's a debate - - a nice discussion. :) My blood is not boiling and, in fact, I was pretty laid back in typing all of that. Hahaha.

But I understand where you and many people are coming from saying she is Mary-Sueish. I do agree that she has such traits. And the reason why she is too convenient is because, as I explained, the developers did a bad, lazy thing trying to solve all of Path of Radiance's plot holes with a single character: Micaiah. You get this character who's all over the place and just downright unlikable despite how much they try to convince you to. Her personality doesn't even fit a saint, to be honest. (But, keep in mind that Micaiah was not perfect running an army, either.)
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ampharosisawesome Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012
heh heh ok, just wanted to make sure :huggle:

Agreed. They could have given a lot of skills to different characters but they just gave it all to Micaiah. I'd love to see the back storys of different characters in depth, like Nailah and Volug, and the Heron family for that matter (im a fan of Laguz characters)

If i had to pick a favorite Radiant Dawn character, i'd have to say Laura, Volug, Muarim, and Brom. How about you?
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ampharosisawesome Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012
I accept your opinions, but i still stand by my own as they seem far too convenient. The prince pelleas thing is true that they never directly say it, but it's hinted at a few times. I realize her unique character traits are "explained" (such as the youth and beauty, silver hair, ends up being Royalty and God vessel thing) but all of these good character traits seem like a bit much. The fact that she's the only person around right now who can use that mystical ability, again, seems all too convenient. The people of Daein (spelling)seem to revere her as some sort of god. I dunno, Micaiah just seems way too...goody goody for my taste, to the point of annoyance. I don't really think she believes she's right all the time, but when she thinks she's right she usually is. When she isn't, it's usually something minor. But hell, that's what i think anyway.

But putting the Mary Sue stuff aside, you and i can agree that Micaiah is just a poor character in general. She's not very well developed at all, and doesn't have too much of an actual personality other then being an absolute saint. She's very moralistic, as i said, like most of the FE cast, but she's even so more moralistic then any of them. I know that the others also seem like this too, but she's the one who has the most "screen time" so with her it's the most obvious. She's just an all around poor character. Elincia is much better imo, her inexperience as a ruler is a much more obvious and nice character flaw.

I've never been a huge fan of Radiant Dawn in terms of character development anyway. Take for example, the death of Alder in chapter 9 part 1. This is obviously the only point in the game where we are supposed to feel any pity for Jarod or Alder. But...it's hard to feel any pity at all because we did not go in depth with their relationship. The only time we see them together is when they talk strategy or scheming so we get so sense of why we should feel any pity for Alder or Jarod. It was just a plot device so Jarod could live longer.
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LadyTaiga Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2012
She looks like Haku Yowane o.O
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I just looked her up and yes, yes she does look like her. :O
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LadyTaiga Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2012
What a coincidence o.o
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BlueRoseLeaf Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011
Wow, nice head shot of Micaiah!! :heart:
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Thanks. It was a quickie. Pfft.
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BlueRoseLeaf Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2011
haha oh well, i still like it :J
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pokegirl302 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2010
I dislike Micaiah so much but I know that she is not a Mary-sue. I will defend her being a non-Mary-sue.
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Same here. She's definitely not my favorite character in the least, but I know the difference between a Mary-sue and a non-Mary-sue. She's not one, but she certainly hits it PRETTY close which is how people falsely accuse her of it.
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Keiitan Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2010  Student Writer
She is a very, very annoying unit when you don't know how to use her... (Like just about all mage units.)

Especially when she refused to let Zelgius "Rescue" her.

Sue? I didn't think that at all! Impossible!

I like Yune better. She's so cute. (In bird form)
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Exactly my thoughts. There is so much wrong with Micaiah, she can't be sue. 8C;; My friend claims she's even worse than a sue. XD

XD Yune is better in bird form.
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Keiitan Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2010  Student Writer
Worse then a sue? Never.
She does become a good unit eventually. And isn't she supposed to be... I dunno... A few decades older then Sothe?

I guess Laguz both physically and mentally grow up slowly.
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hismialah Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2009
Lol I never saw her as a Mary Sue. In my oppinion, the Renais twins and Ike are (tough Ike's awesomeness isn't the kind you find annoying, at least in my oppinion) more Mary Sue-like, but no Fire Emblem main char is one of them, because, you know, THEY HAVE FLAWS.

Marth: Finds it difficult to express his feelings and tries to hide it. (at least I think he did in FE DS. And yes, I've only played from 6 onwards.)

Roy: Sucks until promotion and Lilina technically says «ROY UR HOT» everytime she sees him and he DOESN'T NOTICE SHE LIKES HIM.

Lyn: Too realistic to be a Sue.

Eliwood: Is Eliwood.

Hector: He's got negative traits. EASILY NOTICEABLE ONES.

Eirika: The closest one to being a Mary Sue. Mostly because her pairings are the kind of characters Sues end with the most. However, she's a princess right from the start, a crybaby and is also easily deceived.

Ephraim: I take back what I said. This guy has all the traits of a Gary Stu, but still, I'm not certain. Is there a Gary Stu test anywhere?

Micaiah: It has already been said here.

Elincia: She knows she's a princess/queen from the start and is unsure of her own capabilities.

Ike: His personality has some flaws and he's way too humble to be a Stu.
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GintaxAlvissforever Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2009  Student Artist
When I first got the game, I never saw Micaiah as a Mary Sue. As a Mary Sue hater, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary except how dumb she was at certain parts of the game (really, why didn't you stop the prince?)

She just made a new type of heroine in the game and that's it. Not Mary Sue. Period.
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ShadowYin-Yang Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2009
I never thought of her as a Mary-Sue either b/c if she was so perfect, that would be the first thing that comes to mind.
The only thing that comes to mind with her is that I DESPISE her b/c she's so stupid, dependant, whiny, and I know it's debatable but: racist.
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maniacm1990 Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2009
Arguably you expect the main character to have some Mary-Sue qualities, other than that what's there to seperate them from the rest of the cast?
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ZeloBlake Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2009
Can I rant here for a minute
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2009  Student Digital Artist
Sure thing if you feel like it. XD
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ZeloBlake Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2009
Okay so the other day I was this thing on DA which 25 reasons why Micaiah's a Mary-sue or something like and some of these reason are just plain stupid and somewhat biased and personaly I think Fangirls just overhyped the hate on her (no offensive) and Soren is a god to them (no offensive again)
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yumyumyum Featured By Owner May 25, 2009
Your art of Micaiah is brilliant!
And I agree, she is kinda cute, but I didn't like her. I didn't use her a lot in the game, either. I was too afraid to get her killed. xD So she ended up being protected more.

I think Sothe deserves better. D<
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RoyLover Featured By Owner May 27, 2009  Student Digital Artist
You think? I find it so simple. XD;

LOL I feel the same. XD Well, I used her a lot since we're kinda FORCED to use her. I just stick her with Volug so she gets his dodge points. It helps. <_<

Sothe does deserve better. :S But, then again, I don't care much 'bout Sothe. LOL;; *shot*
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Lady-Manticore Featured By Owner May 21, 2009
dunno about mary sue thing or the fandom it is, but the girl on this picture is extremely cute
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SteamDog Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I disdagree, shes a mary sue~
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2009  Student Digital Artist
If she was a Mary Sue, I'm pretty damn sure she wouldn't suck so much as a unit. : |
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SteamDog Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
she doesnt... if you train her correctly
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2009  Student Digital Artist
She does suck. Her speed fails her horribly and her defense doesn't make up for it. She's an open turkey if you slip up JUST ONCE. Doubling is not her best friend. : \ AND SHE HAS TO BE A GODDAMN LEADER THAT IF SHE DIES, YOU GAME OVER. *sigh* (Not that I don't know how to protect her...but that's usually what majority of the fans out there gotta complain about her. :P ) As for the fact of training her correctly...THIS GOES FOR EVERY CHARACTER. You can train ANY character, so long as you put effort into them and know how to use them, they will be a good unit. : \

Also, if Micaiah was a Mary-Sue, her intelligence wouldn't be so lacking that you have to palm your face for her insolence. She would be outgoing, but no. She's actually quite a shy character. (I believe she talks through Sothe sometimes until she gets to know the person well enough herself.) She didn't even want to be put into the spot light. The only reason she accepted Pelleas' request was because she thought it was better for Daein. We all know how patriotic she is about Daein (I mean...she even whined about Ike because he screwed Daein up regardless of what Sothe praises about him.) I don't think that trait has anything to do with her being a Sue. I swear, it's because she's a girl you give her no slack.
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SteamDog Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hey, dont get so excited dude D:
Shes a mary sue for me, part of the minories SHE HAS SILVER HAIR, MY GOD. Everybody loves her, etc, etc... COME ON, FIRST you need to know whats a mary-sue
"She didn't even want to be put into the spot light" Haha, dont make me laught, obviously she doesnt but STILL she does, thats the fact, is not the character, is the story arround her that makes her a mary-sue.
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2009  Student Digital Artist
Look. The reason I KNOW is because I was once stupid and naive like the rest of them mary-sue creator stories. (I don't blame myself because I was only like...what...12? 13?) I made my own Mary Sue character, not knowing what a Mary Sue was (and, how lol-ing that my name is actually Mary) thinking she was awesome, and it was all because I was in this childish love-affair with a unreal character (hence the screen name.) I'm older now so I know better.

But what disappoints me is HOW MUCH the term, Mary-Sue, has been understood and used disproportionately. It's coming to the prime that majority of female characters ever created are basically all Sues unless they're extremely flawed to the point where it's OBVIOUS.
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SteamDog Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Will you continue this? It WAS JUST A COMMENT if you want to hear: "ok, micahia is not a mary-sue" keep waiting mary. Thats MY point of view.
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2009  Student Digital Artist
No, I just want you to understand the term correctly. To label Micaiah as a Sue is saying too much. I understand if you feel she has Sue-traits...but saying that she IS a Mary Sue is too much as Micaiah isn't someone who is a down-right Mary Sue character. Look, I'm just saying Mary-Sue is a word, a label, that's too strong to used on a character like Micaiah. Believe that she IS one is just...sad.
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2009  Student Digital Artist
And that's why she's NOT a mary-sue. A mary-sue is a self-insert EXTREMELY PERFECT character. Micaiah is not. She has her flaws and good points just as every other characters there are. A rounded character. Maybe you should LOOK UP the term for what makes a Mary Sue. It seems you don't even understand the term and use it because everyone else does.
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SteamDog Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
...*sigh* A mery-sue ISNT perfect, she has defect, stupid defects such as "she loves her friends to much"
Dont get mad at me XD we're talking about A GAME this is not real, relax friend. (and yes, i looked up the term already, thanks C: )
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2009  Student Digital Artist
I'm not. It's a debate. I like debates. XD;; Even if I don't have time for them. OTL

The original term was created BECAUSE of an extremely perfect character in some Star Wars fanfic. Originally, the term meant the character was 1) a self insert or 2) too perfect to be real. Now people have made the term all disproportionate to the point where any female character who is relatively nice or passionate about something is a Mary Sue. Very disappointing. Really.
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RWBsmasher Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2009
"-I'm saying that if Eliwood was really that great, why is his name not resounded throughout the entire continent the same way Ike is?"

It is. I'm pretty sure it was a Bern General who stated it, but my memory could be wrong.



"-You're not reading right. AGAIN. I stated that he could gain power easily meaning that he has far greater influence and friends than Micaiah."


Wrong. Micaiah has sistership with Sanaki, has very strong ties with Rafiel(he actually outright states he loves her, but it's pretty obvious he didn't mean it THAT way...)- the eldest of the Heron siblings, a stronger bond with Kurthnaga than Ike.

If they both wanted to gain power, it's virtually Gallia and Crimea(Ike) vs Daien, Begnion, Hatary, Kilvas/Phoenicis-fusion and Goldoa(Micaiah).

Begnion= Most powerful beorc country.
Goldoa= Arguably most powerful Laguz country.

See where I'm going with this?


"-Ike's sword was blessed by the goddess along with Aldonite. They are both ancient blades and the only TWO blades that can cut down anything - - even blessed armor. Only two, out of the 29,457,920,720,467,092 people living on Tellius, could wield it. Obviously, Zelgius wield the Aldonite."

As said earlier, "even blessed armor" means jack due to the fact that non-blessed Laguz can strike through blessed armor- See Nasir, Tibarn, Naesala and Giffca from PoR...

Anyone could wield the Alondite. If Zelgius, Altina, and Ike, who all have no relation to eachother whatsoever can wield them coupled with the fact that Alondite is a weapon all SS-sword users can wield. The question is, could they wield it well, considering the length and weight of the weapon?


If Ike has a superpower, it's physical strength- Zelgius has this so it would hard for Ike to match him without it.

Altina had to have superstrength- each blade was far longer than her, and she wielded them simultaneously. XD



"-And, therefore, all of Micaiah's and Sanaki's ancestors were all a bunch of Mary-Sue. The end."

Wrong. Never is it stated that these ancestors all had the same hair color. Actually, considering how Lehran is blackhaired and Altina purplehaired... It's likely most Apostles had black hair- if the hair color has anything to do with the heron heritage.
Instead, she has silver hair, and is the only one whatsoever.
Second, none of these people are master strategists for no reason at all.
Third, none of them are unknown persons that are actually princesses/something like that.


"-That is what I am stating - - that she is NOT a Mary-Sue. But people simply label her as one."

I didn't. From the very beginning, I've been saying she's close to being one, but dodges the bullet.

"I bring up Ike because I believe that BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, everyone is a load harder on her."

I get that impression too, sadly.

"You don't see me going around and approaching people, telling they're wrong and shoving my face in theirs when they never asked for it."

Personally, I was just pointing out inconsistencies in your defence. I was not actually trying to start a debate, just wanted to correct some not so strong points, making them more accurate. :P


Anyway, this has been long due to come, but...


Nice pic. Several times better than I could do- just check out my account if you think I'm lying about that. :P

Fave'd!
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2009  Student Digital Artist
Aye, thanks. D: Sorry for the late reply. Comments just...piled up and I never was able to get back to you. OTL
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RWBsmasher Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2009
Now, I'm not gonna take this at face value, but I let Micaiah take the Mary Sue Litmus test.

She scored a sum of 71.

Here are their chart of how bad a sue said character is.

0-16 Points
Most likely Not-Sue. Characters at this level could probably take a little spicing up without hurting them any.

17-21
Probably not a Mary-Sue, although a character can go either way at this point. Fanfiction writers should pay attention to ensure that their characters aren't getting too Sue-ish. For an RPG or original fiction character, however, you're probably perfectly fine.

22-29
Some definite Sue-like tendancies here. A little polishing might be in order to put original fiction and RPG characters back into the balance, especially if Kirking is involved. Fanfiction characters should probably have some work done.

30+
Fanfiction authors beware - Mary's on the loose. There's still a chance you can save this character with some TLC, though. Role-players and original fiction characters, you should also strongly consider giving your character a workover.

36+
Fanfiction authors, you might just want to start over. Role-players and original fiction authors, at this point your characters are likely to provoke eye-rolling and exclaimations of "yeah, right!" from your readers. (Well, at least from me.) Immediate workover is probably in order.

50+
Kill it dead. Or make sure you read the instructions properly (some people don't do this, which causes freakishly high scores) and take the test again.
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RWBsmasher Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2009
"Micaiah is, well, you can't complain about her looks. Majority of the FE girls are beautiful. I think she is cute, not beautiful, however. She doesn't have a big boob size, either. (LOL)"

Few of them are actually referred to as this or even considered it by other characters. Several people note how very beautiful Micaiah is.
So she fills the "amazing looker" part of a mary-sue.

"She is not angst about her past. Actually, I just know she was lonely because she was branded (which is very common for brandeds.) She traveled alone for so long so...errr, who wouldn't be lonely? O__o The only thing that she really worries about is her, um, branded-ness. She doesn't want to be rejected, especially after experiencing the love and warmth of people's affections. I mean, common, if you loved people and people reject you because of who you are, wouldn't you become sad? That's heart-breaking. It's like losing your one place you call home."

She angsts about her past, although not exactly that much that a typical mary-sue. She has sue-ish tendencies in this area.

"Micaiah is also very stupid and whiney; very, very, very whiney when it comes down to her beloved Daein, which gets very annoying to read when playing Radiant Dawn. Even to me. ^_^;;"

Micaiah is not stupid- there is a reason she's considered the second best strategist in the game(though it is admittedly in part due to her powers). However, whiney? A very, very usual sue factor.

"Micaiah is the, err, Apostle. But, ya know, she's one fragile unit and quite annoying to protect in the beginning chapters. I dunno if that counts as having a ton of different kinds of super powers, blood, and whatnot, but she just got royal blood flowing through her. "

She has lots of super powers- healing touch, unfallible divination(until it gets fogged by chaos), the ability to hold the medallion, being able to sing the galdr of release without even knowing the song, oh, and did I forget her uncanny "charisma"?


"Her personality is annoying. She gets irritated easily and whines and pouts about it. (Something everyone hates about her, I'm sure. )"

As mentioned, typical sue behavior.





Micaiah might not be an outright sue- but she sure carries the vital signs:

-Everybody praises her, she's so very great.
-Supah special powahs!
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RoyLover Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2009  Student Digital Artist
Note: "Micaiah isn't a Mary-sue. I hear a lot of people call her that, but, apparently, she doesn't seem to fit the definition of a Mary-sue. Sorry. Apparently, =windfalcon had described how to tell them apart. -> [link]"

THAT is what I consider a Mary-Sue. Someone who is uberly perfecto in every aspect. Micaiah has flaws. Lots of 'em. And then people make those flaws into "Mary-Sue" traits that you speak of. :P

As for the beautiful, if you knew, a lot of the FE girls are called beautiful. Therefore, one can just assume their world as just more filled with pretty people in general (I guess? Never really thought 'bout it.) People call Calil beautiful; even Nephenee. And then when they mention a certain female character, they call her a label that would refer her as beautiful.

And for you, I shall compare:

-Everyone ON TELLIUS loves Ike MORE THAN MICAIAH (EVEN MICAIAH)
-Ike has uber powers, too!
-Ike has 319057 more friends than Micaiah
-Micaiah has powers with REASONS
-Ike has powers cause he's the main dude
-etc, etc, etc...
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RWBsmasher Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2009
I said she has Mary Sue traits- not that she was one.

Also:


"-Everyone ON TELLIUS loves Ike MORE THAN MICAIAH (EVEN MICAIAH)"

Wrong. The entire country of Daein pretty much hate Ike. Meanwhile, not even Sanaki, who Micaiah tried to burn to death and whose people Micaiah killed thousands of before her very eyes, hates Micaiah. Lulz.

"Ike has uber powers, too!"

Not a single notable one, actually. He has incredible swordsplay, and he has better reasons for it than Micaiah has for having her powers.

"Ike has 319057 more friends than Micaiah"

Wrong. Also, Micaiah has 319057 more fanatic followers than Ike's who worship the ground she walks on.

"-Micaiah has powers with REASONS"

Sure. Too bad her backstory/reasons for having them is like something you'd find in a bad fanfic:
"I am really the lost princess of whatever, and thus I have super special powers. Oh, and I look superpretty and has a unique hair color, even in my diverse hair color universe."



"-Ike has powers cause he's the main dude"

Again, no powers beyond swordsmanship.

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